Though I may be biased (the screen name) I think it is fantastic that the 'church' are finally learning that they cannot just threaten and intimidate the people on the internet anymore. The other day I watched a flash cartoon about David Miscavige (the current leader of the CoS) and LRH (the founder) being gay lovers, and though it is offensive and not something that I really support at all, the fact that people feel the freedom to be able to say it now knowing that an army of internet users are watching their back makes me feel like a weight has been lifted off the bloggers and the internet based media outlets. They know that for every time a critic is stalked or threatened it speeds up the church's reform.

I knew, when I saw that first "Anonymous message to Scientology" that there was great potential. I found out enough about the "church" years ago to feel sickened that nobody seemed able to stand up to them, but safety in numbers is a powerful thing. Apparently Anonymous has been refered to as "gnats" by someone in one of the higher positions in the "church". Anyone who has tried to avoid large numbers of gnats has some idea what the "church" is now up against.

Scientology helped me overcome a depression more than 20 years ago and since then, they have helped me improve my life in every aspect I wanted. Everytime I went to the Church I got help. They have also helped my mother and many of my friends. They have a technology that works, based in solid wise principles about life, the mind and the spirit. I find it very sad that some people attack a movement that makes so much good in the world instead of helping it expand and help more people. Really sad...

evertything I've heard from scientologists long on drama and dreadfully short on facts. I've read dianetics same thing applies

I would love to see one double blind study or independent analysis that backs up the claims of dianetics LRH and CoS. I've looked, I've asked scientologist but they don't seem to be anywhere.

for example I've found "studies" about Narconon's great results but when I look they are simply studies by scientologist about scientology

I'm asking those scientologists out there with all this great technology can you cite one independent study that substanitates CoS claims????

No need to worry joxearkaitz. I know things seem harsh right now, but I really believe that Anonymous and the rest of the critics will be a good thing for scientology in the long run. See, the Church of Scientology has been giving ALL of scientology a bad name. All this attention they are recieving right now will hopefully get them to make the necessary adjustments to ease the concerns we have about it.
Older religions have faced hundreds of years of criticism and making adjustments - in the process they gained trust, grew and became stronger because of it.
If you really believe in the benevolence of Scientology, then be assured that it will stand this test and will emerge improved in the end.

Instead of Narconon I did the Scientology purification rundown, TRs and Objectives and Drug Rundown, I have found the idea of doing any kind of drugs including alcohol disgusting perhaps partly as I realize what the effect was on me. Also, I found drugs are a bad substitute for real living which Scientology is helping me to do. I meet people all the time that are deeply into Scientology and I get testimonials from them all not just from what they say but how well they live.

I see anonymous like the chorus in the "Who's" rock opera "Tommy." Young people cannot stomach "new religious movements" which are so blatantly money grubbing and totalitarian and offensive. "We're NOT gonna take it, never did and never will. We don't want your religion!" That's what I see the anonymous youth essentially saying. The internet is the difference today, and also, Scientology leadership (the overly dictatorial Scientology leader today is David Miscavige) is pushing the starkest unreasonable harsh downside ideas of L. Ron Hubbard (founder of Scientology). Hopefully now that the younger generation EX Scientologists (Miscavige's neice and the others) together with the younger generation that make up anonymous, will jar Scientology into adjusting and DROPPING the most offensive irreligious tactics Scientology. I agree thankfully that the retaliation is lessening, compared to past years, against ex members who spoke up publicly. Now let's see if David Miscavige will declare an amnesty on all the thousands of ex Scientologists who have been incorrectly labelled "Suppressive Persons" and let's see if the Scientology movement can cool it on their disconnection policy that cuts family off from one another. - Chuck Beatty, Pittsburgh, USA, ex Scientology lifetime staffer (1975-2003)

I think that the cult OSA (special affairs) is now not only decapitated, but as well, uneble to follow all the tracks at the same time. It has done too much enormous errors while trying to attack its critics in the past, and is still trying to do the smae; but as it has an enormous bunch of attackers, in USA, but also almost everywhere in Europe, it can't react to everything. That's why it got finally a lot of its own method, consisting to drown people or judges or officials and agencies under tons of attacks. They can't do that anymore, and less so since they would perhaps like to change their ways, but it's much too little and much much too late.

r

Don't start with the Anon thing, and their claims to be "helping" Scientologists. People walk into Scientology mostly because they have read a Scientology book for themselves, and know something about it. If they didn't find it good for them, they wouldn't stay. Intimidation, baloney!
As for story about some guy in 1934 using the word "Scientologie," this is an old story which only has any credibility for people who haven't looked at Scientology for themselves, and don't care to. Open a book and you will know that L. Ron Hubbard described understandable and practical methods to help with life.
Or -- heaven forbid! - you could go into a Scientology center and find out for yourself!
Of course, if you only get your knowledge of life fourth-hand via an internet poster, via an online journal which just recycles someone else's rumors, you will only get a recycled world.
Heh, I'm going to go do something in the real world -- I recommend you do the same!

Mr Carter, most of us have done our research. Government docs, eye-witness accounts, former sci's who've fled the Co$ aren't recycled rumors. I've been in a scientology center myself. I've read the sci-myth site, I've read the countless posts from your fellow sci's that are vacant of any facts. Basically, all I've seen since I've been here is 2 different stories. One side with facts to back itself up. The other, no attempts to refute with any facts, but with a bunch of hemming and hawing. One just needs to read the sci-myth site entry about the FreeZone. Give me a break.

Here is the entry from the scientology myths site:

Freezoners (Ron's Org, Freezone, Galactic Patrol) are groups who alter Scientology technology and form their own groups to apply this altered technology. They are small in number and fairly insignificant to the Church. I understand the largest Freezone group is in Germany, which makes sense, since Germany is well behind the curve in supporting religious freedom.

Freezones are not religious in nature, they are money making ventures, originally started by Captain Bill Robertson.

They claim they cannot trust the current Church management structure (which was set up by L. Ron Hubbard) because it is not what Hubbard would want. They have had many criminals in their midsts. Such as Robertson, Robin Scott and David Mayo. Many of them are declared Supressive Persons by the Church and freely admit so.

I feel this transcript of an interview with former Freezoner Jon Zegel explains it very well.

/end quote
This entry is riddled with jabs, and is in no way unbiased. The FreeZone was founded by people who did not agree with the Co$'s money hungry, litigious ways.
Like the posts on all these websites, if you research like Mr Carter asks, you will find very few facts, very few 3rd party studies on the claims the Co$ makes, and many outlandish promises. Just watch the Tom Cruise video on gawkers, or just start clicking links and you'll find tons of well researched and documented proof of the wonderful nature of the Co$.
We're not helping Scientologists. We're helping people.

Dear Ron

Most scientologist are recruited. They don't walk into it they are either coerced or don't realize what their into (hence the myriad of recruiting conduits to get people to take scientology courses ie CRIMINON , Narconon, WAY TO HAPPINESS FOUNDATION etc etc). These are all front groups dedicated to getting scientology into schools, government, rehab groups, community organization without public knowledge

Ron the fact of the matter is 70% of people who volunteerily start scientology leave scientology within 5 years.

Maybe it is you that should read some books (other then the standard issue scientology literature)

BTW
pls explain the ethical justification for an organization judging itself as validation of its claims???????

Ron Carter and Curiouser -- to many of us ex-scientologists (was in for 30 years) I look around and discover that about 2.5% of people I knew over the years are still in Scientology. -- That number, for those not familiar, is Hubbard's statement of how many Suppressive people there are on this planet (an SP is people who disagree that Scientology is the ONLY Religion of the World). Everything a scientologist will say in defence of the "Church" is based upon hypnotic control. Members will lie to your face and its leaders on National Television, that Scientology doesn't force people to disconnect from their families, that it doesnt suppress free speech, that it's leaders do not promote and advocate staff and child abuse, that its staff doesnt live in cockroach infested rooms and make $30 per week while working 80 hours a week -- the gulags where staff are sent to if infractions (called the Rehabilation Project Force) -- the list is almost endless -- Why?

Why dont you know this? because most scientologists are good people, and have been kept in the dark for years -- and also told not to believe anything anyone else says, not to look on the Internet, not to listen to radio which is critical, not to do anything which would jeopardize their Spiritual Salvation for the next Billion years. And after a few hundred thousand dollars spent and still with many of the same problems -- a person is simply trying to hand onto what sanity they have left. This statement comes from the Top Auditors at the Flagship.

It is NOT the religion we are against -- we are against the ABUSES forced upon everyone who does not agree with it. This is HITLER in the making. Facing the TRUTH of Scientology means leaving your family, friends, livelihood and threat of destruction of what you believed your Spiritual Salvation was dependant upon. Then one day I saw none of it was true -- the OT Levels are are complete lie, and so much much else.

We hope you WAKE UP -- soon. But the Scientology abuses against the true Freedoms will not stand -- and will be its undoing!!